Discussion question 3

1 – Berger uses the example of Kenneth Clark book to explain the difference between “being naked” and “nude” in which Clark says that the nude is a form of art but being naked is simply being without clothes. Berger has different thoughts about it, he explains that “to be Naked is to be oneself and to be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for oneself”. This means that a naked person is the one that is peacefully by it self with no public but a nude is the painting of a ‘naked’ person or people who are being seen by other. As John Berger says, I also believe that “nudes” are created from artists for their own pleasure.

2 – According to Berger, Western work of art represent the different roles of a man and women in the society. Women are shown languid, to feed an appetite, not to have any of their own. Females are expressing their desire to satisfy a man needs. Berger uses the example of “The judgement of Paris” painting in which the artist paints a man handing an apple to the women he think is more beautiful. As in nowadays society, beauty represents competition. We are seen by man as fishes in the river, they want to catch the best looking one. Man are seen as more dominant than woman. Most women won’t approach a man even if they are interested on them. Instead we will look submissive and sometimes weaker than man just to call their attention. In conclusion, I think that this pictures represent the reality of man and women roles in today society with the exemption of a few women who in some cases are more dominant than man.

3 – “The mirror became a symbol of women vanity” Berger says. As in the painting, “Susanna and the elders” looks at her self in the mirror to see how she is being seen in the eyes of a man. In the following painting, a women is naked holding a mirror and looking at her self. The mirror is being used as an excuse to blame the women whom has been painted totally naked for the artist pleasure but condemning the women by calling the paint “Vanity”. He related this to “The judgement of Paris” which is transform into a beauty contest. The idea remains the same. Man looking at women and judging them. In today’s society, women are being seen and judged by man. It is as a competition, where beauty and perfection wins. Woman try to look perfect to the eyes of man and not be judged by the society. Make up, plastic surgery, provocative clothes are some of the options that women use nowadays to persuade man.

Blog post #3

  • Is the purpose of the essay to educate, announce, entertain, or persuade?

The purpose of this essay is to educate. In
this essay, probably there would be a lot of information included and maybe it
would be new for the readers in which demonstrates their knowledge and
creativity and encourages them to develop their ideas to communicate a message.

  • Who might be interested in the topic of the essay?

Probably students who wants to know more
about art or students in general. What’s more, professors and people who like
to read would be interested in this topic.

  • Who would be impacted by the essay or the information within it?

Students

  • What does the reader need to know about this topic?

It needs to know what they
are reading and how they have to understand it because it helps you get
evidence easily and proof

  • What does the reader need to know in order to understand the essay’s
    points?

The reader needs to know that they have to
consider using the internet if they didn’t get a point or something. They might
search for it on the internet to get much deeper information. Maybe they can
also consider using dictionary or google translate if they have an issue in understanding
anything.

  • What kind of hook is necessary to engage the readers and their interest?

The reader needs a good hook to prepare them to the upcoming
material they will be learning.
It should be an exercise that smoothly leads into the lesson,
but the hook should not teach the lesson. The better you understand your
readers, the more power your hook will possess.

  • What level of language is required? Words that are too subject-specific
    may make the writing difficult to grasp for readers unfamiliar with the topic.

The writer should use very appropriate language
and clear while writing just to make it easy to understand for the reader.

  • What is an appropriate tone for the topic? A humorous tone that is
    suitable for an autobiographical, narrative essay may not work for a more
    serious, persuasive essay.

I think the tone depends on the type of the topic you’re writing about. An educative essay must be appropriate. You must select the appropriate subject matter as there will be students and professors reading your essay. In contrast, if the essay topic is celebratory, a festive, joyous and informal tone is more suitable.

  1. Write a draft of your opening paragraph.

On Monday, May 25, 2020 a very important and unforgettable event happened when George Floyd died because of he has been handcuffed on the street in the custody of the Minneapolis police on Memorial Day. An officer responding to a report that Mr. Floyd had tried to pass a fake $20 bill helped hold him down by lodging a knee on his neck for nearly nine minutes. People allover the world especially Americans decided to take his rights after his death. This image is of Leshia Evans, a demonstrator at an event that followed the shooting of Alton Sterling by a policeman in Baton Rouge, LA, being arrested. It became a widely circulated image within the Black Lives Matter Movement as well as other social justice movements and became resonant for those who deal with the intersections of race and criminal justice.

Discussion 3#

1. Being naked means being yourself, being who you are. But when we talk about nude it means being watched by someone else. I believe the most significant difference between them is the loss of the essence. When women are depicted nude in art they get material values, being seen as an object. We can use as an example the Brazilian Carnaval, women are exposed seminaked in the most commercials and advertisements as a trophy.

2. According to Berger, the paintings do not represent the women’s own feelings but their submission for the men, they are created for the male satisfaction. The pictures represent women being constantly judged by men, where the most beautiful women will be “chosen” by them. The woman is seen as a sexual object. I believe that it is still possible to see many men who see women as an object, as cleaner or as someone that needs to be there to serve them, as represented in the depictions.

3. In Berger’s description the mirror is represented as a vanity symbol of women. He also highlights that the pictures are painted for the men’s pleasure. While a woman looks at herself through the mirror, she’s thinking of the way men will see her. During his interview some of the women described the paintings as unreal, saying that the older European art paintings do not show dynamism and women are represented in a humiliation context, portraying women as “inanimate pleasure symbol”.

Discussion 3 (ways of seeing)

In the European painting, there are differences between nakedness and nude. Theses differences are more visible for women than men because of the tradition. For John Berger, being necked is to be oneself and being nude is to be seeing necked by others and not yet recognize by oneself. That mean we can compare nudity to the object such as how we see women in the art without clothes. Therefore, we can realize that this form of women representation can be applied to pictures and we can illustrate this fact in many images we have seen in our life.

At the beginning of this episode, Berger said that men dream to women and women dream to themselves. Also, he mentioned that women are taught how to appear to others, particularly to men because in the western tradition, the community taught women that their success depend to the way they look like for men. In this situation, western works of art consider women as an object that the beauty can be appreciate by men. These depictions have influenced the way we think, the place of women in our society. But in our modern society, women are fighting to be considered not as men’s objects but as a person who has the right as men. In the episode, we see the conversation between Berger and some women around the table, we can understand how these women want the society change the perception of western tradition painting related to the nudity of women.
During the presentation, we see women using mirror to look themselves and Berger shows some arts where women are looking themselves in the mirror. What are they looking for by using the mirror? Are they looking the imperfection of the form of their body? we see that mirror is very important for women, they use it to see how they look or how they should look like. Women pay attention to every detail that has a connection to their face and body, they are worry about their beauty, they want to be perfect in the eyes of men. According to Berger, behind this glace, there is judgments. Even today, this old European art still affects the society where we are living. In our daily life we see that women are more interested to their beauty than men.

 

 

Discussion #3

 

1.According to this episode, John Berger explains that to be naked is to be oneself and to be nude is to be seen naked by others which is not recogonized for oneself.  In Berger’s view of it, he emphasizes the initiative of being naked and being nude totally depends on other people. His opinion about the difference between nakedness and nude is kind of different from Kenneth Clark which makes us have deeper understanding of those old European oil paintings.

2.In this video, we can see the majority of male roles in those paintings are dressed. On the contrary, almost all of them are naked or forced to be naked. Men get huge pleasure from those beautiful and sexy women’s bodies. For those male viewers, women are a kind of attractive artwork but not the real individuals. The criteria for a man to judge a woman is pretty face and good figure. I think that is so superficial. However, this outdated view on women still influence people deeply. Nowadays, some people still hold the view that the value of women is to please men rather than realize their own value in life. So hundreds and thousands women can’t get the equal rights with men. They are restricted from going out to work. Even some of them get jobs due to their excellent abilities, they are still discriminated against at work.

3.According to Berger, the significance of the mirror in those paintings is to show the women’s vanity. All of those paintings convey the same concept to us that the beauty of women is defined by male. The female characters in paintings need to cater men’s tastes. So the gaze of them is out of the frame and towards those male viewers which seems that they are seducing them. Except for their gaze, there is anohter important point we should notice is that all of those nudes don’t draw the hair on women’s bodies. Because hair will reduce the sexuality of male sepectators. As I said in question #2, all of these arrangement is to please male. Additional, a female interviewee appeared in the second half of the video mentions that women lose their dynamism as well as their own activities. They are always waiting for the reactions from men.

Blog Post 3

 

  1. Briefly answer these questions:
  • Is the purpose of the essay to educate, announce, entertain, or persuade?

The purpose of the essay is to persuade, in the essay the instructor tells the student that prewriting is very important before the writing. It can be one of the essential key to provide good essay.

 

  • Who might be interested in the topic of the essay?

 

Students, readers and Professors might be interested in the topic of the essay.

 

  • Who would be impacted by the essay or the information within it?

 

Generally, student who do not used to prewrite their essay, also it can be those writers who are not organized when they are writing any topic.

 

  • What does the reader know about this topic?

 

This topic is very useful, it gives information about how to be organized when we are writing an essay.

 

  • What does the reader need to know in order to understand the essay’s points?

 

The reader needs to know that any writer should be confident and organize before writing the draft essay.

 

  • What kind of hook is necessary to engage the readers and their interest?

 

In the introduction, particularly the general idea and theses statement, the writer should tempt reader to continue riding the essay, that mean he has to be clear and put the topic in the in the concerned situation.

 

 

  • What level of language is required? Words that are too subject-specific may make the writing difficult to grasp for readers unfamiliar with the topic.

 

The level of the language should be academic and very clear, words should not be difficult to understand.

 

  • What is an appropriate tone for the topic? A humorous tone that is suitable for an autobiographical, narrative essay may not work for a more serious, persuasive essay.

The appropriate tone for the topic is a persuasive essay, the instructor is convincing the student that she has to change her method of writing in order to succeed.

 

  1. Write a draft of your opening paragraph

In general, before writing a draft essay, many students organize their work by rewriting the topic that thy suppose to work on. However, some student think rewriting is a vesting time and do not know how important it is to provide a good final essay. Rewriting can help writer to organize his essay and avoid some grammatical errors that is crucial to write a good essay.

episode 2 of Ways of Seeing

Q1. Nudity and nakedness do not wear clothes in some sense. However, according to Berger in the video, he has a different opinion. When people are naked, the naked body becomes nude. Nudity is a way of showing naked body. Naked is a person without clothes. In the video, this is important because it implies how people should understand the different relationships between men and women in society in these bare paintings.

Q2. Male nudity represents victory, glory and power, while female nudity is a symbol of fertility, reproduction and sexuality. It exposes social inequality between men and women. Women are used for viewing and are regarded as objects. women are watched by men, so women are always paying attention to their own behavior and appearance. Women are seen as a landscape or object in the painting, and the viewer is the owner of the painting which means women belong to them. In today’s society, these situations still exist. In some families, women still play housewives, and then men make money to support their families. Women belong to men, and men occupy women in these families.

Q3. Mirrors appear in many nude paintings, and it is common for women to use mirrors in Western oil paintings. The appearance of the mirror is to show the vanity of women. a woman cares a lot about whether she is beautiful, so she always sees how she looks in a man’s eyes, whether a woman’s face and body meet the standards of a man. Women satisfy themselves by satisfying men。This mirror also means that in addition to men judging women, women are also judging themselves. At the same time, he connects the gazes of these women with some pornographic magazines. This gaze is like a temptation that tempts people to produce Unlimited reverie. 

 

Discussion question#3

Question 1:

According to Berger, nakedness means someone without clothes and it could be recognized, but  nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized by oneself .Besides , he also mentions that a nude has to be seen as an object.Honestly , I don’t realize they have different meanings before watching this video , but I do now.It’s quite significant to distinguish the meanings of  these two words because they are totally different with each other.We usually use the word “naked” to state somebody’s status , it’s more like an objective description. However , when we use the “word” nude to describe a person , it probably means that person is naked for particular reason .Therefore , I suppose “nude” contains deeper meanings on the base of “nakedness”.

Question 2:

Due to the huge influence of the story of Adam and Eve among western countries, western works firstly depicted and defined men as the agent of god and women were servants of men .Hence, during a very long time since then , men were always portrayed as strong ,majestic and powerful.On the other hand , women were more like objects that could appeal men.In many old European oil paintings would depict and emphasize women’s beauty and nude body only because it could attract more men to look at these paintings.As a result , these depictions really influenced the ways we think of men’s role and women’ role even on today.Nowadays,there are still many people have the thought that husband should take whole responsibility to the family such as making money and making decision, what wife should do is taking good care of children at home and obeying their husband’s order.Fortunately, this unequal relationship between men and women has changed since the one hundred years ago , and more and more  females aware that they can have the same rights and status as males.

 

Question 3:

Berger describes that a mirror could make women realize how they look like and how they would be judge by men .Gradually , mirror became a symbol of vanity to women and the define of beauty changed, it became a competition among women by how men judged them . Berger also states that the reason why women were depicted as naked is not because they would like to be naked ,it’s because they were charming subjects which could satisfy males’ sexual gaze.However , according to Berger’s interview , they don’t think those old European oil paintings have many connections with women today because they are immensely exaggerated and hard to identify.

 

  1. In ways of seeing John Berger describes the nakedness and the nude for a women in the paintings. john Berger said ” being naked is seeing without clothes” and nude is how the women were seen and judge  of being naked by other people. This is significant because it shows the inequality how women were being used.
  2. John Berger states that western works has depicted and defined by men and women. The example is in the garden Adam and eve and how they realize they are naked and the blame on god towards the woman.
  3. John Berger explains how the mirror is significant and how its depicting the women in the painting. The mirror is significant because the women liked to look at themselves while  they are naked.

Discussion Questions #3

John Berger’s Way of Seeing Episode 2

Question 1:  Berger mentions that, “Naked is to be oneself and to be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognized for oneself”.  When he says this he means that through western art, women who are nude are objectified by an audience and is seen as a beacon of pleasure to her male viewers. Versus being naked, which to Berger means to be  without clothing, but the woman can be more herself without spectators. These differences are significant because the woman’s facial expression is changed to lure in viewers as nude forms. Paintings such as the Jewel Case painting by Guillaume Seignac  is the perfect example, because the woman’s face is contorted in a way of saying look at me or come here. (Image insert below)

Question 2: Western works of Art depict and defined different roles for men and women by showcasing the inequality of power. Men are seen as superior and dominate, treating the opposite sex as if they were only there to satisfy their needs.  The significance of this is to display the differences in roles for example, John Berger uses Adam and Eve to show how different men and women are treated and what each role they play entails.  I do believe these depictions influences are society today because though individuals  voice against the objection of women, many media outlets still do this. We are used as outlets to sell your cars, to promote your meals, lingerie, and even weight loss solutions. Some men still feel entitled to our bodies based on what is seen from outer sources. Some still feel we belong in a kitchen instead of being CEO of a multi million dollar corporation.

Question 3:  Berger explains that the significance of the mirror in paintings depicting women as a symbol to show the women who they are and what people think they look like.  In the episode he mentions how a women’s gaze is  almost always the same in paintings as if to respond with a beckoning call to serve the man looking at her. Often during this time, European painters depicted a woman naked to reflect their sexual view of them and attract more with the same perception. The difference though between now and then is that women aren’t forced into being somebody object of sexual desire.